On today's episode, Stephen chats with Hanif Abdurraqib, an award-winning poet, essayist, and cultural critic from Columbus, Ohio. His newest release, A Little Devil In America (Random House, 2021) was a winner of the Andrew Carnegie Medal and the Gordon Burn Prize. In 2021, Abdurraqib was named a MacArthur Fellow. He is a graduate of Beechcroft High School.

Stephen and Hanif  talk about his work as a poet, how he got his new role at the New Yorker and most importantly, what makes the perfect chocolate chip cookie. You can also check out Hanif’s passion project 68to05.com which is a music archival project full of essays and playlists.